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Post by rockergirl on May 7, 2007 5:38:47 GMT -5
I found a link from this site the other day. www.worldslastchance.com/?gclid=CNqe_Mf854sCFR1BggodSXW6UwAfter studying this plus finding additional info on the subject there is much credibility and scripture to back the concept of "The Papacy" being the new world order, antichrist, beast and false phrophet, one world religion or whatever you prefer to call it. What are your thoughts on this? Personally i believe it is very likely this will be the case that the pope whether it be the current one or a future one will play a major role.I am not sure if as the site suggests that satan will disguise himself as a reincarnated John Paul II will be him however that theory even has scriptural basis (healed from a fatal wound) REVELATION 13: v 3. The book 'The Woman Rides The Beast" by Dave Hunt also supports the catholic church and catholisism as being the one world religion to come. Contrary to the best intentions of some Churches they are waiting for a great revival. However phrophetically a great falling away is what will be the case if you read scripture.The real danger is that as the catholic church is put across as being Christian or of Christ and when you scratch the surface it aint and when the time comes for all religions to be joined with them MANY will be deceived. The true Churches of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ will recognise this and want no part of it.
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Post by zooba on May 7, 2007 7:44:11 GMT -5
I must say I have my reservations about people who claim to have 'proof' that the anti-Christ will be the Pope/the President/Henry Kissinger/etc. I believe such claims are based in paranoia and personal bias rather than fact. My reason for saying this is that the Book of Revelation is just too vague to be interpreted in that way. That is, the book tells us there will be an anti-Christ and he will create a global world religion, but we have no idea of knowing who he will be or when he will rise to power.
Now, I'm certainly no friend of the Catholic church (just read the other post on Catholicism in this forum), but I think the idea that the anti-Christ will be an impersonation of John Paul II is just a little absurd. Firstly, John Paul II wasn't fatally wounded - he died of old age. Second, the Bible doesn't say that the anti-Christ will impersonate someone who was fatally wounded, it says that he himself will be fatally wounded and will be resurrected. Personally I interpret this to mean that the anti-Christ will be fatally wounded somehow and will resurrect, thereby causing the unbelieving world to follow and worship him (remember the anti-Christ will perform signs and wonders which will deceive many). Thirdly, John Paul II was so conservative in his views that really I don't think any world-dominating megalomaniac would get very far impersonating him. I think this just goes to show that the Book of Revelation (or any book of the Bible for that matter) needs to be taken as a whole, not just isolating particular verses and trying to work out what they mean.
As for Dave Hunt, I have never read that book but I know that he is someone who is criticised by other Protestant scholars for his gross misrepresentations and horrible inaccuracies in his criticisms of the Catholic church. I have read some of his other stuff on Calvinism and I found it, well, lacking (to put it politely). So yeah, Dave Hunt is not someone I would take too seriously.
I believe with the book of Revelation that we shouldn't try to attach any sort of modern-day interpretations to them because we really can't. We must just trust in God and know that whoever the anti-Christ is, he will be whoever God has chosen him to be.
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Post by rockergirl on May 7, 2007 19:11:01 GMT -5
As said i am not inclined to believe that pope John Paul II will be the antichrist necessarily as yes a fatal wound could mean something else as wounded politically even.
Clues are found in revelation as to who the antichrist organisation is as specific descriptions are given.He comes from a city on seven hills which geographically there is only two cities in the world that are built on seven hills.These are Brazil and Rome or more specificly Vatican city and historicly Rome(Vatican city) has had much mention in the bible in the new testament as it was in power of the region of Israel at the time of Jesuus for example.Also colours mentioned in revelation such as scarlet is a color the catholic church uses as does the other colors mentioned in revelation associated with the one world religion.If you study the origins of the catholic church it began as a sincere enough church but later was infiltrated by a person who was part of the roman empire posing as a convert in order to take control over the people which he did.Furthermore contrary to what many believe Peter one of Jesus's disciples did not begin this church as he began the church at pentacost as the bible says.Satan was there at the beginning with the catholic church planting his seeds so it makes sence that it will all end with the catholic church too.The catholic church is the richest organisation in the world today and has been for a long time and has much influence over the world even more than many realise.Adolf Hitler for example was catholic and during WW2 the pope at the time did nothing to save the JEWS from slaughter which it could of.Catholics throughout the ages have committed the most horrendous attrocities such as burning people at the stake who do not think like them and worship Mary calling them witches who in many cases were the true Christian.Even in recent times the popes have embraced muslim leaders and their quoran going as far to kiss it. And in some circles of the church they are calling for unity between all aspects of Christianity including catholisism.For those who have studied the end times as outlined in the bible it is crystal clear where this is all heading.Satan will be using something that looks good on the surface yet is bitter poison when you dig into it.The antichrist organisation will be someone charasmatic and a person who most will follow willingly and in most peoples eyes is a great man even among world leaders and the pope fits the bill.One last point we need to understand is the word ANTICHRIST does not mean aginst as many believe.The word antichrist actually means IN PLACE OF OR INSTEAD of Christ.The pope has been doing this for years replacing Christ along with their priests.There is no need to ask a priest they want you to call father which is blasphemy for forgiveness for example.MANY PEOPLE WILL BLINDLY ENTER THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT AND RECEIVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST THINKING IT IS OF GOD.If churches do not preach on this and teach the flock about what is to come then how will the sheep know?It is ok to say God will tell them but he has already told us and warned us in his word the Bible.
I think it is dangerous to say the book of revelation is too vague to interpret as our God is not God of confusion and furthermore the book of revelation was only written in seemingly symbolic language so that the roman empire at the time would not be able to understand what it means.Much of the content of revelation in regards to end times is also found in other parts of the bible beginning with the old testament through the psalms and the phrophets then with Jesus.To give you a few examples MATT:24 1-14, 42-51, 2 THESS 2:1-17, DANIEL 7:1-8, 9:24-27, 11:1-45, 12:1-3 are all to do with and parralell revelation.
Also as revelation is the culmination of all history and the world to come i do not think for one second it is any less of a book and need to be avoided because it is viewed as too hard to interpret. This is exactly what satan would want because he knows that a crucial element of the hope of a Christian is to be mindful of these events to come and to be eagerly awaiting the Lords return.Jesus also tells us to do this in Matthew 24 v 42-51.
As for Dave Hunt it is not a surprise he is ridiculed by some groups and dismissed as not knowing what he is talking about.Some of his books have been taken off shelves from Christian bookstores and had to be ordered in by those who wanted them like the woman rides the beast for example.Some people are scared or don't want to know because his apocolyptic and end times books are demmed as too contreversial yet other authors like Joyce Meyers who promote "PROSPERITY' gospel are applauded and fill the shelves.
It is true we do not know when all these things will happen but the point is we are to keep watch and life does go on to a certain degree however a Christian is not of this world just in the world for a time and earnestly waiting for their Saviour to take them home.
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