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Post by winnow on Jan 8, 2008 3:56:35 GMT -5
Ok, fair enough. But that kinda relates to what I said about the owner of Coke. One reason he would be with them is because of his wealth. As I dont agree with the life styles of Gene Simmons at the same time I dont agree with the life styles of some of the people that own the oil fileds and other things that are just in everyday life. I dont mean to argue for argueing sake it just that I think that if we are to make these kind of stands we need to make them completely and not just in the the things we find easy to avoid. Its alot easier not to buy a Kiss cd than it is not to get your car filled up with fuel for example. Although I dont agree with Todd on some things I give him props for being quite thorough on not getting into any non-christian form of entertainment.
Just a couple of questions...Are you fine with buying non-christian music by people who live decent lives(as far as you know)? And are you fine with buying christian music by people who dont really live the life so to speak?
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Post by rockergirl on Jan 8, 2008 5:48:48 GMT -5
Winnow, firstly as this was a lyric content subject the owner of coke or the big bad oil company bosses whatever their short comings are is kind of splitting hairs so i will stick with the music lyric issue.
Now to answer your questions.
As said earlier i am trying to steer away from all secular music so it doesn't really matter if they live clean lives because i am of the persuasion that any music that is not inspired by God by a Gospel/Christian artist is from the world(satan).
Now as we are to work out our own salvation if i buy a cd from a gospel artist and they may be not walking the walk then they are the ones who have to answer for God for that. And even if a band is using the name of God to sell music as long as it is scripturally sound and may not have necessarily been inspired by God but still about him and or giving him glory then again they will have to answer to God for that however can still be used by God to teach/evangelize/uplift the listener.
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Post by winnow on Jan 9, 2008 9:01:37 GMT -5
I understand clearly that it was about it was about lyrics, but it also turned into a discussion about stands people make and loving the world. If the only stand you make is about what music you're going to listen to, well...what should I say? I agree with you that even if an artist is not a christian but is writing christian music even its just for money it can be used to teach/evangelize/uplift the listener. I remember a part in the new testament somewhere where the apostle Paul is in jail and he says that some are preaching the gospel to make his afflictions worse and and some are preaching it for real, but either way he doesn't care because Christ is being preached. I can relate to that, but for me personaly I wouldn't buy the album of such an artist(the fake chrsitian) because I would find it to be fake and lack integrity. I coud also see as supporting the fake christians life style which is an issue we are talking about. ...That seems like a contradiction to me. Or are you saying that its ok to listen to music from Satan? Rocker Girl, if God is leading you away from non-chrstian music than who am I to try and convince you other wise and thats not what I was trying to do. If God is leading you away from it than I encourage you totaly to get away from it. I was looking at a bigger picture than just the music issue and looking at what people are saying about loving the world and such and other things that came up and just wanted to see if they really hold to these values/stands in thier life besides the music area.
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Post by rockergirl on Jan 9, 2008 9:28:57 GMT -5
Winnow no i was not making a contradictory statement and to explain what i meant as we cannot always know the thoughts and intentions of an artist that seems to be Christian as only God really can know ones heart.Then if it does uplift/teach/evangelize a person then i would hardly think satan would be behind that music if the gospel is being preached as even God can use the evil motives to his advantage.Now if one knows of this then yes i agree we should stay away from it as the credibility/integrity is in doubt as we can only be judged by what we know and the manner in which we know it.
So yes i would be opposed to following/supporting the works of a fake Christian(s) work if i knew it was fake as it has no integrity/heart/truth.
And no of course i am not saying it is ok to listen to music from satan as if we know it is from him then it offers us no real benefit.
Yes i agree we need to pursue Godliness in all areas of our walk not just music and i am not trying to change anyone's beliefs necessarily. And as i said on the other thread i share what i feel led to share and if someone can relate to and through God benefit from this then great because anything i write is not for me as i only ever share what i feel the Lord puts on my heart and people can agree or disagree.
And yes i will make stands in all areas not just music and i only wanted to bring it back to the music topic to get back on the main subject as i felt it was becoming a bit side tracked.
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Post by Todd on Jan 9, 2008 10:43:41 GMT -5
took a bit for me to get back to this thread, my apologies for the delay all, winnow you've been a fine chap to discuss scripture with and now i shall reply to your post , but keep in mind it is not directed towards you, it is directed to anyone who chooses to read it for it shows something most Christians rarely look at...examining their faith in accordance with God's word and how to properly examine it. Todd, you might of missed what I was saying when you said that it was "conditioned circular reasoning". I was being quite serious. My (serious)question is, do you think that it is as easy as hearing or seeing something ungodly and that effects your spiritual walk? If so I would have to wonder how strong your faith is. I dont just look at music as entertainment. I appreciate it much more than just a form of entertainment...not all, but a lot. I guess the other issue here is what one might consider to be of God might not be for another. I have seen lyrics written by christian bands that are very open about thier faith and "evangalical", but some of the lyrics are totlay not of God. I guess you could relate it to the whole war issue and capitol punishment issue. To me there is things in the bible that make it very clear on what God thinks about these things and yet there are christians that completely disagree and use the scriptures to back up thier argument. okay to set things off I am going to quote something you wrote I guess the other issue here is what one might consider to be of God might not be for another the apostle Paul admonished us it examine ourselves to determine whether we are truly in the Christina faith, whether we have made a vain profession of faith in Christ or if our profession of faith was truly genuine Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?2 Corinthians 13:5 what it means to examine oneself is to consider actions, our thoughts, our opinions and what we believe. These areas will determine our conduct and how to live our life before others and who we will represent through example. If we have thoughts which are vulgar, then in a short time we will develop vulgar speech. If we have immoral opinions, the we will justify the immoral character we possess and actively practice. In the USA our society is an amoral society, a belief that there are no absolute truths, no moral set standards for us to abide by. each person holds to the standards which they have established for themselves while rejecting an established moral standard for the whole of society. What this means is this: " what is good for you may not be good for me" This is not only practiced by those outside of the Christian church, the majority of the Christian church has embraced amoral conviction and are actively applying it to their faith in Christ. there are thousands of individuals who proclaim themselves as Christians who reject the idea there is an absolute truth. there are thousands of Pastors behind pulpits proclaiming an amoral gospel, deceiving those who they are Shepard's over. The sobering truth is, those who try to combine an amoral conviction to a faith in Christ will find themselves completely and utterly separated from God. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8 Let's break this passage down briefly to understand key words to help is use the as a standard for our life and faith to be measured against 1. whatsoever things are true: things not hidden in immorality or darkness, things pertaining to the truth 2. whatsoever things are honest: things which are done in reverence or is worthy of reverence 3. whatsoever things are just: things which conform to the moral truths of the holy scriptures 4. whatsoever things are pure: things pertaining to an attude of deep respect, things without a mixture of good and evil, morally pure and immorality 5. whatsoever things are lovely: things which are pleasant, things which are pleasing in accord with the standards of the holy scriptures 6. whatsoever things are of good report: things which are morally uplifting and good-natured 7. if there be any virtue: things which are of excellent moral quality. free from any mixture of good and evil, morally pure and imorrality. A clear distinction evident between moral and immoral, which conforms to the holy scriptures 8. if there be any praise: things worthy of raise, those things which offer honor to God. 9. think on these things: to meditate upon these qualities through careful consideration. your question to me was this: do you think that it is as easy as hearing or seeing something ungodly and that effects your spiritual walk? If so I would have to wonder how strong your faith is.After breaking down Philippians 4:8 and being able to understand how to examine our lifestyle in accordance to the word the real question here is " are we willing to give up complete control over our life to God and deny ourselves worldly pleasures in order to fall in accord with what he expects of us: submission and sacrifice in faith for He and He alone?"
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Post by winnow on Jan 10, 2008 6:16:10 GMT -5
Winnow no i was not making a contradictory statement and to explain what i meant as we cannot always know the thoughts and intentions of an artist that seems to be Christian as only God really can know ones heart.Then if it does uplift/teach/evangelize a person then i would hardly think satan would be behind that music if the gospel is being preached as even God can use the evil motives to his advantage.Now if one knows of this then yes i agree we should stay away from it as the credibility/integrity is in doubt as we can only be judged by what we know and the manner in which we know it. So yes i would be opposed to following/supporting the works of a fake Christian(s) work if i knew it was fake as it has no integrity/heart/truth. And no of course i am not saying it is ok to listen to music from satan as if we know it is from him then it offers us no real benefit. Yes i agree we need to pursue Godliness in all areas of our walk not just music and i am not trying to change anyone's beliefs necessarily. And as i said on the other thread i share what i feel led to share and if someone can relate to and through God benefit from this then great because anything i write is not for me as i only ever share what i feel the Lord puts on my heart and people can agree or disagree. And yes i will make stands in all areas not just music and i only wanted to bring it back to the music topic to get back on the main subject as i felt it was becoming a bit side tracked. Cool. I just want to make clear theres no hard feelings. I like talking throught these things and sometimes it takes days if not wekks and pages of threads because its not in person.
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Post by winnow on Jan 10, 2008 6:51:27 GMT -5
took a bit for me to get back to this thread, my apologies for the delay all, winnow you've been a fine chap to discuss scripture with and now i shall reply to your post , but keep in mind it is not directed towards you, it is directed to anyone who chooses to read it for it shows something most Christians rarely look at...examining their faith in accordance with God's word and how to properly examine it. Todd, you might of missed what I was saying when you said that it was "conditioned circular reasoning". I was being quite serious. My (serious)question is, do you think that it is as easy as hearing or seeing something ungodly and that effects your spiritual walk? If so I would have to wonder how strong your faith is. I dont just look at music as entertainment. I appreciate it much more than just a form of entertainment...not all, but a lot. I guess the other issue here is what one might consider to be of God might not be for another. I have seen lyrics written by christian bands that are very open about thier faith and "evangalical", but some of the lyrics are totlay not of God. I guess you could relate it to the whole war issue and capitol punishment issue. To me there is things in the bible that make it very clear on what God thinks about these things and yet there are christians that completely disagree and use the scriptures to back up thier argument. okay to set things off I am going to quote something you wrote I guess the other issue here is what one might consider to be of God might not be for another the apostle Paul admonished us it examine ourselves to determine whether we are truly in the Christina faith, whether we have made a vain profession of faith in Christ or if our profession of faith was truly genuine Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?2 Corinthians 13:5 what it means to examine oneself is to consider actions, our thoughts, our opinions and what we believe. These areas will determine our conduct and how to live our life before others and who we will represent through example. If we have thoughts which are vulgar, then in a short time we will develop vulgar speech. If we have immoral opinions, the we will justify the immoral character we possess and actively practice. In the USA our society is an amoral society, a belief that there are no absolute truths, no moral set standards for us to abide by. each person holds to the standards which they have established for themselves while rejecting an established moral standard for the whole of society. What this means is this: " what is good for you may not be good for me" This is not only practiced by those outside of the Christian church, the majority of the Christian church has embraced amoral conviction and are actively applying it to their faith in Christ. there are thousands of individuals who proclaim themselves as Christians who reject the idea there is an absolute truth. there are thousands of Pastors behind pulpits proclaiming an amoral gospel, deceiving those who they are Shepard's over. The sobering truth is, those who try to combine an amoral conviction to a faith in Christ will find themselves completely and utterly separated from God. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8 Let's break this passage down briefly to understand key words to help is use the as a standard for our life and faith to be measured against 1. whatsoever things are true: things not hidden in immorality or darkness, things pertaining to the truth 2. whatsoever things are honest: things which are done in reverence or is worthy of reverence 3. whatsoever things are just: things which conform to the moral truths of the holy scriptures 4. whatsoever things are pure: things pertaining to an attude of deep respect, things without a mixture of good and evil, morally pure and immorality 5. whatsoever things are lovely: things which are pleasant, things which are pleasing in accord with the standards of the holy scriptures 6. whatsoever things are of good report: things which are morally uplifting and good-natured 7. if there be any virtue: things which are of excellent moral quality. free from any mixture of good and evil, morally pure and imorrality. A clear distinction evident between moral and immoral, which conforms to the holy scriptures 8. if there be any praise: things worthy of raise, those things which offer honor to God. 9. think on these things: to meditate upon these qualities through careful consideration. your question to me was this: do you think that it is as easy as hearing or seeing something ungodly and that effects your spiritual walk? If so I would have to wonder how strong your faith is.After breaking down Philippians 4:8 and being able to understand how to examine our lifestyle in accordance to the word the real question here is " are we willing to give up complete control over our life to God and deny ourselves worldly pleasures in order to fall in accord with what he expects of us: submission and sacrifice in faith for He and He alone?" Cool post man. If you're under the impression I have an amoral faith or belief in Christ then you a wrong. To clear up what I was getting at when I was talking about what some may consider of God might not be for others; here is an example. A friend of mine,Chris was talking to one of his friends(I dont remember his name) lets say it Bob. Both these guys are christians. Bob went on a holiday to New Zealand and on a tour they went to some buildings that I guess were temples of some sort maybe. Bob didn't go into them because he struggled with it. He asked Chris what he would of done. Chris said that he himself would of been fine to go in because he knows that they are false idols and have no power over him because he Christ's and he does not fear it. But as the conversation went on Chris said something about he wouldn't of went in if he was with Bob. Beacuse he(Chris) understands that Bob struggled with it. So for love of his brother he wouldn't of went in for Bob's sake even though Chris isn't bothered by it. Another example is how people are convinced what they think is from God and even use scripture to back it up, and then theres others who dont think the same way and can use scripture to back it up. Examples would be about: War Speaking in tongues Capitol Punishment Food Heavy Metal and Rock....etc, etc. What I was getting at was not about being amoral, but how people differ and are convinced that both are from God. And then theres the example of how I've seen a few times that people say that God is leading them away from metal even its just for a time and theres people that never go through that at all. And then theres people who can have a beer or two and theres no problem and then for others any consumption of alcohol s wrong. And theres the well known part of the new testament where Paul talks about the food offered to idols. Even I differ with some christians I know on that one. Jesus said dont eat meat offered to idols. And then Paul rights what he rights about it saying that by his faith its all good for him and so on. I personaly just stick with what Jesus said and I choose not eat food offered to idols. I didn't get any answer to what I asked..." do you think that it is as easy as hearing or seeing something ungodly and that effects your spiritual walk? If so I would have to wonder how strong your faith is."...from what you wrote at the end. Heres a real life example...I'm sitting in my house and I hear my next door neighbour is swearing at thier partner or thier kids or playing thier non-christian music. I didn't ask to hear it, I'm not going out of my way to hear it. I would question how strong my faith is if I simply hear that then all of a sudden its messing with my faith. Unless you think that I should plug my ears at all times and put a blindfold on incase I hear or see my neighbour doing something they shouldn't then I dont see what that has to do with denying myself and giving God complete control over my life and denying my self of worldly pleasures.
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Post by godrulz on Jan 24, 2008 5:29:25 GMT -5
There's been some pretty good quotes in this thread, I agree with some and disagree with others. Personally I see myself thinking more along the lines of winnow and exodus. I also don't usually get into these discussions but its good to see that people on this forum research a bit and give their viewpoints. I have no problem listening to secular music, in fact I love it. If thats a sin, God certainly hasn't convicted me of it. The thing is, what can be right for some Christians is wrong for others. The whole "there's only black and white" don't stick with me because I believe that the Holy Spirit speaks to each Christian on a personal level in "different" ways that apply to that individuals life. Sure, there is only 2 ways "God or World" but how do you define being in the world? Like winnow said, some Christians say its wrong to drink alcohol and that it is a part of being "of the world", others say its fine. The Bible says "do not be a drunkard and in the psalms it says "wine is a mocker, beer a brawler and whoever is led astray by them is not wise". But, it also says, do not only drink water but wine for the stomach is a good thing(or something along those lines, don't know where that scripture is from but I know its there). So, the Bible actually does NOT say drinking alcohol is wrong. It says whoever is led astray by them is not wise. I mean, if drinking alcohol is being "of the world", is drinking anything other than water apart of the world too"? Now, I have been led astray by alcohol and secular music in the past, that was wrong but God is loving and forgives!! Years back God spoke to me and told me my lifestyle was wrong and that I needed to focus more on Him. Before that time I only listened to secular music, I had turned my back on God and lived for myself or the "world/satan" as some would say. When I put my trust in Jesus again, I threw out my secular music and bought Christian music, ONLY to try and get my focus back to being more on Christ. Now, just because I got rid of the secular music at that time does not mean that I believe its wrong to listen to secular music and God hasn't told me its wrong, what was wrong was my focus was more on the world and having a good time rather than following Him, the music had become my God or idol. We are told to put God as number 1 in our lives. We all make mistakes though and put other things first. What gets me is people seem to attack secular music but where do you draw the line with the whole "in the world but not of it". Worldly people wear surf shirts like "Billabong", or car shirts like "Holden/Ford" etc... What, does that mean us as Christians can't wear those shirts too because we have to be different and we are supporting a worldy culture? I mean, come on!!! I really find it amusing with some extremist views. I am not bagging people okay, I just can't understand some peoples views, its almost ridiculous to me. Maybe we should just wear shirts which say "Jesus Loves You" on them or plain shirts that don't have anything on them, thats different right? ;D Sorry, with all seriousness though, I don't believe that God is asking us to ban all secular entertainment, if that was the case we would all be living in a box and I don't think that is how we are going to be most effective for the Kingdom of God. Life is a gift, given from our Heavenly Father to us, we are to enjoy this gift too. Of course, our purpose for being here is to live a God honouring life and to help further His Kingdom, but we have also been given the gift of entertainment. Like winnow has said, "what are we to do, cover our ears and eyes"? God speaks to each Christian about what is right or wrong for themeselves, Christianity is not a box or list of guidelines to life, it is about a relationship with our Saviour. I for one can't wait to see Iron Maiden in concert. So much in fact that I am flying to see them in Sydney as well as going to the Perth gig. If some people think that I am "lukewarm" or not a strong enough Christian because of that, so be it. God knows my heart, He knows that I try my best for Him and His Kingdom, I make mistakes like everyone else along the way but with the help of my King Jesus, I believe I can make a difference for Him. God looks at the heart, man at the outside. There is a whole lot more I could go on about but I haven't had much sleep the last few nights(oh yeah, I went to see John Butler Trio in concert last night, hope that was okay as a Christian.haha) and my brain is a bit frazzled. Hope some people don't get the wrong idea of what I am saying, but that usually happens on forums, things are taken out of context, hence why I don't usually get into these conversations. Hopefully this helps the discussion and doesn't just add more confusion.haha
p.s. I do believe secular music can be very wrong to listen to, I don't listen to every secular band out there, because of my past, I research most of the bands I listen to so that I am not led away from God. I am not saying secular music is right for all Christians either, what I truly believe is that we need to make sure our heart attitude is right with God and He is our main focus. If we are focusing on secular music, or Christian music for that matter, more than God and following Him then things could be wrong. Christian music can be wrong too if it becomes an idol. Music is very powerful, it can be both good and bad, only God can tell the individual Christian which music is right or wrong for him/her to listen to. Who would I rather tell me which music is right or wrong for me to listen to, man or God? I choose GOD!!! Bless you all, please don't take offence to anything I may have said, like I touched on before, I am very tired and ain't thinking as clearly as I could be. I will come back at a later time and answer some questions if needed.
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Post by ironguardian on Jan 24, 2008 5:50:46 GMT -5
(oh yeah, I went to see John Butler Trio in concert last night, hope that was okay as a Christian.haha) As a Christian, yes. As a metal head, no.
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Post by Todd on Jan 24, 2008 10:34:58 GMT -5
took a bit for me to get back to this thread, my apologies for the delay all, winnow you've been a fine chap to discuss scripture with and now i shall reply to your post , but keep in mind it is not directed towards you, it is directed to anyone who chooses to read it for it shows something most Christians rarely look at...examining their faith in accordance with God's word and how to properly examine it. okay to set things off I am going to quote something you wrote I guess the other issue here is what one might consider to be of God might not be for another the apostle Paul admonished us it examine ourselves to determine whether we are truly in the Christina faith, whether we have made a vain profession of faith in Christ or if our profession of faith was truly genuine Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?2 Corinthians 13:5 what it means to examine oneself is to consider actions, our thoughts, our opinions and what we believe. These areas will determine our conduct and how to live our life before others and who we will represent through example. If we have thoughts which are vulgar, then in a short time we will develop vulgar speech. If we have immoral opinions, the we will justify the immoral character we possess and actively practice. In the USA our society is an amoral society, a belief that there are no absolute truths, no moral set standards for us to abide by. each person holds to the standards which they have established for themselves while rejecting an established moral standard for the whole of society. What this means is this: " what is good for you may not be good for me" This is not only practiced by those outside of the Christian church, the majority of the Christian church has embraced amoral conviction and are actively applying it to their faith in Christ. there are thousands of individuals who proclaim themselves as Christians who reject the idea there is an absolute truth. there are thousands of Pastors behind pulpits proclaiming an amoral gospel, deceiving those who they are Shepard's over. The sobering truth is, those who try to combine an amoral conviction to a faith in Christ will find themselves completely and utterly separated from God. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8 Let's break this passage down briefly to understand key words to help is use the as a standard for our life and faith to be measured against 1. whatsoever things are true: things not hidden in immorality or darkness, things pertaining to the truth 2. whatsoever things are honest: things which are done in reverence or is worthy of reverence 3. whatsoever things are just: things which conform to the moral truths of the holy scriptures 4. whatsoever things are pure: things pertaining to an attude of deep respect, things without a mixture of good and evil, morally pure and immorality 5. whatsoever things are lovely: things which are pleasant, things which are pleasing in accord with the standards of the holy scriptures 6. whatsoever things are of good report: things which are morally uplifting and good-natured 7. if there be any virtue: things which are of excellent moral quality. free from any mixture of good and evil, morally pure and imorrality. A clear distinction evident between moral and immoral, which conforms to the holy scriptures 8. if there be any praise: things worthy of raise, those things which offer honor to God. 9. think on these things: to meditate upon these qualities through careful consideration. your question to me was this: do you think that it is as easy as hearing or seeing something ungodly and that effects your spiritual walk? If so I would have to wonder how strong your faith is.After breaking down Philippians 4:8 and being able to understand how to examine our lifestyle in accordance to the word the real question here is " are we willing to give up complete control over our life to God and deny ourselves worldly pleasures in order to fall in accord with what he expects of us: submission and sacrifice in faith for He and He alone?" Cool post man. If you're under the impression I have an amoral faith or belief in Christ then you a wrong. To clear up what I was getting at when I was talking about what some may consider of God might not be for others; here is an example. A friend of mine,Chris was talking to one of his friends(I dont remember his name) lets say it Bob. Both these guys are christians. Bob went on a holiday to New Zealand and on a tour they went to some buildings that I guess were temples of some sort maybe. Bob didn't go into them because he struggled with it. He asked Chris what he would of done. Chris said that he himself would of been fine to go in because he knows that they are false idols and have no power over him because he Christ's and he does not fear it. But as the conversation went on Chris said something about he wouldn't of went in if he was with Bob. Beacuse he(Chris) understands that Bob struggled with it. So for love of his brother he wouldn't of went in for Bob's sake even though Chris isn't bothered by it. Another example is how people are convinced what they think is from God and even use scripture to back it up, and then theres others who dont think the same way and can use scripture to back it up. Examples would be about: War Speaking in tongues Capitol Punishment Food Heavy Metal and Rock....etc, etc. What I was getting at was not about being amoral, but how people differ and are convinced that both are from God. And then theres the example of how I've seen a few times that people say that God is leading them away from metal even its just for a time and theres people that never go through that at all. And then theres people who can have a beer or two and theres no problem and then for others any consumption of alcohol s wrong. And theres the well known part of the new testament where Paul talks about the food offered to idols. Even I differ with some christians I know on that one. Jesus said dont eat meat offered to idols. And then Paul rights what he rights about it saying that by his faith its all good for him and so on. I personaly just stick with what Jesus said and I choose not eat food offered to idols. I didn't get any answer to what I asked..." do you think that it is as easy as hearing or seeing something ungodly and that effects your spiritual walk? If so I would have to wonder how strong your faith is."...from what you wrote at the end. Heres a real life example...I'm sitting in my house and I hear my next door neighbour is swearing at thier partner or thier kids or playing thier non-christian music. I didn't ask to hear it, I'm not going out of my way to hear it. I would question how strong my faith is if I simply hear that then all of a sudden its messing with my faith. Unless you think that I should plug my ears at all times and put a blindfold on incase I hear or see my neighbour doing something they shouldn't then I dont see what that has to do with denying myself and giving God complete control over my life and denying my self of worldly pleasures. nah, if your neighbors do that they're just play rude and inconsiderate of your right to peace and quite [something that is a real problem these days with kids listening to rap and hip hop and blasting their 800watt car stereos all hours of the day and night]. A song you hear that is forced upon you by another does not a faith problem make, it just proves how disrespectful they truly are to others personal space..
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Post by godrulz on Jan 24, 2008 17:30:17 GMT -5
(oh yeah, I went to see John Butler Trio in concert last night, hope that was okay as a Christian.haha) As a Christian, yes. As a metal head, no. ;D I ain't just a metalhead though. I love heaps of genre's and I am a surfer so I do like blues and roots music. I like pretty much everything but rap and all that dance crap.haha. I have never been just a metalhead, listening to only metal is a bit close-minded to me because there's heaps of good music other than metal as well. Thats my view though.lol
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Post by exodus312 on Jan 24, 2008 23:31:50 GMT -5
absolutely... i've said it once, i'll say it again: listening only to metal makes you sterile..........
to other types of music. It's all music, it's all good.... with a few exceptions, of course.
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