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Post by jmaxwell on Apr 16, 2008 1:55:24 GMT -5
Hi there Kevin Rudd is the current pm who says he is a christian man. In my opinion he is doing a great job and really holds people at his heart when he conducts his job do you agree? God bless - James
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Post by ironguardian on Apr 16, 2008 2:06:40 GMT -5
Hmmm, yes he says he is Christian, but anyone can say that. Not to many Christians go and get drunk in strip clubs. Its really to early to tell what a difference he will make to the county.... i voted Liberal though (as did most of Western Australia) As for supporting him, yes I do. I'll support any PM we have, as long as what they advocate isn't against God's law. Jesus said to obey the laws of the country you are in, and thats what I plan on doing. I'm thankful I live in a country where the original laws were based on Christian principles.
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Post by jmaxwell on Apr 16, 2008 2:10:15 GMT -5
hmmm yes fair anough but we all make mistskes Rowly my past history is not a pretty one. i think he holds people at his heart especaily after he said sorry to the Aboriginies. God bless James
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Post by ironguardian on Apr 16, 2008 3:54:39 GMT -5
Yeah, we do make mistakes. I've been drunk a few times myself... the differnce is though that I'm not trying ot run a country. There is a verse in proverbs that says a king should not drink, so that he can always make the right decisions, but ordinary men may drink away their sorrows No excuse though, I'm much more careful with how much I drink now.
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Post by jmaxwell on Apr 16, 2008 4:12:13 GMT -5
hahaha i had a quite a few problems before i was christian. yeh but God may have said this but this said all sins forgiven God gives someone the chance to have a clean slate everyday. God bless - James
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Post by metasaiah on Apr 16, 2008 9:06:05 GMT -5
I never thought I'd support a Labor PM, but the abolition of WorkChoices sold me. I'll still vote Liberal though on moral grounds.
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Post by exodus312 on Apr 16, 2008 9:15:04 GMT -5
I usually use the Joe Strummer method of voting... don't vote to get someone in, vote to get someone OUT
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Post by jmaxwell on Apr 16, 2008 20:17:10 GMT -5
I honestly cant really see anything hes done wrong and not in the good of wanting to help others thats all i mean Howard who dont get me wrong was hilirious was looking into helping the good of a certain class of people i mean i live in Sydney and he was constantly donating money to schools like kings where the grounds and facilities are evidently fantastic i mean they d0nt need another polo feild
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Post by ironguardian on Apr 16, 2008 21:18:44 GMT -5
Politics are an interesting thing to discuss when you've got people on the west and east, as in general we all vote liberal in the last election, as we've had a labor state government for ages, and are fed up with it.
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Post by jmaxwell on Apr 16, 2008 22:09:50 GMT -5
hmm yes tru and Biran burke
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Post by exodus312 on Apr 17, 2008 2:46:39 GMT -5
meh, I've got no problem with Kev yet, but who knows where the road takes us? I never vote the same way, and to be honest, I usually don't know who I'm going to vote for anyway...
Guess I'm just weird...
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Post by jmaxwell on Apr 17, 2008 2:50:20 GMT -5
gahahaha gold man! yeh tru who knows where we will be 10 years from now? only God but yeh im just baseing it on so far
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Post by jcthemosher on Apr 17, 2008 9:10:37 GMT -5
I think God put Kevin Rudd in place for such a time as this, now that America is going down, and China is on the up, we have a Prime Minister who speaks Chinese and who isn't afraid to speak out on some the bad things the Chinese government is doing. Just because God placed him in the role now doesn't make him totally right, but I am sure God will test him to and we will see where his heart really is.
Oh I could go on about all of the tests John Howard failed...
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Post by jmaxwell on Apr 17, 2008 19:59:12 GMT -5
John Howard= probably somewhere on a tropical island right now
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Post by Sutekh on May 3, 2008 8:29:09 GMT -5
John who?? Man, it feels REALLY good to say that As for Rudd, so far so good. He seems a lot more in tune with people and has already exhibited his faith through his actions so far, so I've got no issues. It will indeed be interesting to see where the road goes from here!
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Post by jmaxwell on May 15, 2008 2:51:00 GMT -5
ill second that
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Post by graveforsaken on May 15, 2008 4:02:19 GMT -5
Seems to be doing a good job so far. The apology was a good day. It hasn't stopped rascism, but it was a turning point. Rudd is much better than Keating was IMO.
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Post by trailblazer777 on May 18, 2008 10:21:44 GMT -5
I probably shouldnt comment on this thread cos I have very strong and controversial unusual political views....and I vote liberal (conservatives or republicans in USA are similiar),national or christian democrats no matter what but here goes;
Interestingly Rudds parents were National Party members, (Rudd has worked in the public service most of his life, and is one of the few non-unionists in the party) and Brendan Nelson is a former member of the Labor party, plus worked as a trolley boy when he was young. Rudds treasurer Wayne Swan went to the same school as him (nambour? in QLD), and the meteoric rise of Rudd up the ranks is about as astronomical as Hitlers...which is perhaps a little disturbing...
positives; I think Rudd is the best Labor PM since Hawke, and a worthy prime minister. I'd rather see him PM than many others in the Labor party. he is young and seems to be having a go and at least trying to window dress things into looking good, even if they are not...
His effort in a strip club in USA is an embarressment, although everyone has dirt in the past Howard never did anything like that I bet.
Rudd is a smooth talker who often says very little, despite many many words. The master of spin. If he says he is going to do it, like many pollies, can be sure he probably wont if its not politically convenient. he has a collection of jingleish "sales phrases" like "when it comes to" "on the question of" "core values" "fiscal conservative" and so on, which he repeats over and over again, to the point of nausea, and afterwards you wonder what is his real core value after all...
his "christianness" is debatable...Howard went to church but whether he was a chistian is debatable too, but I like Howards values better mostly.
I think labor has already made a mess of the economy in less than a year, but I have to agree work choices seemed maybe a bit unfair, although I liked many of the things it did, like keeping unions in line, and see no problem with AWA's (as long as they are not too much slanted towards the employer)...Liberal govt was good for economy Rudds is not so far... Although I think Rudd is conservative enough to avoid making as big a mess as Keating (I hope)...He lacks experience in the job, and as time goes on he will either flounder horribly or grow into the role. For australias sake I hope its the latter.
what scares me most is that most of the time I feel like Rudds real agendas are very hidden, at least with Howard I felt like I knew which way he would go, with Rudd, you just never really know where its all going...
The sorry day was a good move, but lacks substance, and will mean very little if the real reconcialiation issues are not pursued in the right directions for many years to come... Also it was not truly unilateral, and only pretended to be for the TV cameras. Where the Libs stand on it, is anyones guess...where Rudd truly stands on it is also anyones guess, as he mostly did it for political mileage, rather than truly wanting to work with Aboriginies/Indigenous or whatever you want to call 'em. Maybe that will prove to be a wrong assumption, I hope so, but are federal govt departments and/or fed ministers, consulting regularly with tribal elders, and key aboriginal people, and responding in a wise way to their thoughts...Hope so but they haven't done so much in the past so be a surprise if they suddenly change their tune this time...
speaking mandarin might be helpful with china especially if they ever overturned USA as the world superpower (wont happen, even though they r trying to), and because they are important trade partner... so maybe thats good...but it also means rudd might get manipulated by china at australias expense although the tibet thing seemed like a strong stance at face value, could be just another political move achieving very little...(like Kyoto protocol)... just like the toothless UN condemning saddams actions hundreds of times, but powerless to do anything about him...
until good old George stepped in and said ok we want that oil, and Al Quaida is starting to be a pain in the neck, and you saddam are a monstrous tyrant who is not only mistreating/murdering your own people, but proving to be a threat to my nation, and therefore the safety of the world, as is Al Quada, so we are going to blast you out, which they did. Sure they have paid a big price for it (deaths of USA military and now the USA economy and therefore the world economy), but the UN never would have got as far as they have, and hopefully John McCain will win and make sure the job gets finished...
Iran,North Korea,China, the new ex-KGB controlled Russia, and El Q are still there, but thats life, at least we dont have russia and USA trying to decide who will blow up the whole world first like in the 80's...but maybe we will again pretty soon...
I'd rather have Howard any day on that score...but we never will now, and not too impressed by any of the Liberal alternatives as yet...I do like the reduce petrol tax by 5cents though and agree with the alco-pops tax as being a cynical money-grabbing govt farce...So Nelson got a few things there about 25% right...but seriously how about rainwater tanks and solar panels in every house, how about electric cars instead of petrol/gas ones...none of the pollies r serious about really tackling the issues they just want cheap political points...how about a pipeline/canal from the ord river, how about a health/education/police/drugs policies that work...
hopefully I wont get some union heavy come break my window, and tell me the govt is going to make sure I never have a job again now cos of what I just posted... ;D
Still God has allowed Rudd to be leader of the country, and God tells us to respect and obey leaders whenever they don't ask us to disobey Him. However I think we need to think very carefully about what God wants us to do cos I suspect that conflicts with what the goverment is wanting us to do a lot!
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Post by Todd on May 23, 2008 20:51:19 GMT -5
Australia must be drastically different form America because here liberal = zero morals. And democracy is killing our country like the black plague did in Europe..
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Post by ironguardian on May 23, 2008 23:23:49 GMT -5
Todd, our "Liberal" party, are actually the conservatives. When it was first formed, the founding members decided to call themselves "The Liberals" as a very tongue-in-cheek sort of joke.
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